Propagandhi - ...And We Thought That Nation-States Were A Bad Idea Lyrics

This song is so relevant, and is only growing in relevancy. We must win the class war.

Propagandhi were right about literally every issue in like 1997. I can't imagine how any of them feel today.

Shiva maybe

I’m adb makes 7 blues

Pretty depressing it all turned out to be true in 2019.

we've still got a chance to take it back with bernie in the US

Bro, I'm 39 and I had not heard this track in 16 years. Popped in survival of the fattest and WOW! Mann, I bring that mosh pit back!!!!!

Really wish i hadnt read the lame comments. A lota people who listen to punk think there such a cut above they the worst and most arrogant. There like anti everythin. No one likes punk music more more then me. Been listenin to it over 25 years. But i look.like a jock. Sorry to rant but the scene jus pisses me off. I surf to and the surf scenes similiar. " hey that guys a jock he cant surf or listen punk bands" dr know got it right sayin the scenes jus pretentious shit" you cant wear that cause its cool, shit i thought there where no rules" and that was in the 80's its worse now

2019 still drop bombs

Who in is proper mind would give this one a negative review aka thumb down...

I’m fucing drunk but i love this band

Trump supporters.

Sadly, they have a great attitude but lack any semblance of skills as musicians. Cliche, derivative faux punk sound

Shut up.

"Publicly subsidized! Privately profitable!"
The anthem of the upper-tier, puppeteer untouchable
Focus a moment, nod in approval, bury our heads
In the bar-codes of these neo-Colonials

Our former nemesis, the romance of a nation-state
Now plays fundraiser for a new brand of power-concentrate
Try again but now we're confused, "What is class war?
Is this class war?" Yes, this is class war

And I'm just a kid
I can't believe I have to worry about this type of shit
What a stupid world!
And it's beautiful, no regard for principle
What a stupid world!

Born, hired, disposed
Where that job lands, everybody knows
You can tell by the smile on the CEO
Environmental restraints are about to go

You can bet laws will be set
To ensure the benefit
Of unrestricted labor laws
Kept in place by displaced government death squads

They own us (They own us)
They own us (They own us)
Produce us (Produce us)
Consume us (Consume us)

They own us (They own us)
They own us (They own us)
Produce us (Produce us)
Consume us (Consume us)

Can you fucking believe?
What a stupid world

Fuck this bullshit display of class loyalties
The media and our leaders wrap it up in a flag, shit-rag, hooray

finally. a punk song for my history class.

Your history teacher will appreciate this.

Masterpiece

T R U M P 20 20? F U C K T H I S C O N T I N E N A N T

publicly subsidized privately profitable!

FUCK CORPORATIONS AND BANKS!!! The root of all evil... I´m not a kid
anymore but I still can´t believe I have to worry about this kind of
shit!!!

no war but class war

Comrade Roasty your stupid.

fuck you!!!

Can't believe I was ever even mildly interested in this band. Music is traditionally and should be apolitical. The only time you see these cookie cutter liberal ideas inserted into music is in the punk genre (Propagandhi, Dead Kennedys, etc.") and rap. There's a difference between social commentary in music and political commentary. The Strokes have a song with a lyric "top 10 ideas for top 10 shows/Who's culture is this and does anybody know?" A great lyric, social commentary on America's declining and degenerate entertainment standards. Compare that to Propagandhi's "Fuck the Border" or some obscure rapper "Fuck Donald".

But here's the clincher. The #1 rule for music should be if it doesn't sound good, it isn't good. A lot of these political punk bands are forced into singing in this hardcore punk delivery, monotone, no discernible melody, just to fit their multisyllabic political words into so many bars. They have no regard for meter and flow. They essentially use music as a political platform at the cost of THE ACTUAL MUSIC.

I think the only time a band or artist has managed to juggle political commentary with good, melodious music, is NOFX on "War on Errorism". Keep the bullshit politics out of music. Shut up and sing, in other words.

Music is and has always been political. Just because you somehow only recently found out doesn't mean it traditionally wasn't political. It always has been. You either used to be oblivious about it or well listened to music that aligned more with your personal political view point.

You probably never heard about the anti-Vietnam war era rock. Political AND social criticism was very strong there.

Even litterature has been used as a mean of protest several times in history. Take for example, Molière in France. His writing contained subtle criticism against monarchy and religious influence.

Art (music included) will never stop having people that has something to say against politics and society and history has proven it several times.

>Propagandhi-Liberal
Are you a legit retarded person?

Haha dumbass. Everything is political wether you like it or not. pay more attention in english class.

everything is political,fucking douche bag,specially art,every form of art,including music

Relevant after all these years.

This song continues to be relevant

i just found this recreation of their song "Nation States" which i really like from the Fat Wreck Chords compilation album "Fat Music Vol. II." :)
that's just really cool!

greeting from germany! keep on the good work! :)

Man I remember being a a young kid at 12 and getting that vol for my Briday from my Brother. I was a sheltered church kid and I remember every song just blowing my mind that people said bad words lol.

Z Film Reviews glad this album woke you up

Wish and Watch so you got your coaster compilation CD to work? I tried it in 2 cars, a Bose, and my PS4 and it won't play.

The "long nineteenth century" is going to be like 400 years long.

you should definitely take the ad in the begining off this

its "born hired disposed, where THE BAD JOB LANDS everybody knows! : )

This song is more relevant now than ever...feel the bern

+alex theisen http://sandersisnotasocialist.com/

+Glitched In another decade, he would be a New Deal Republican, which shows how far to the right this country drifted since then.

>feel the bern
Hahahahahaha

Bourgeoisie will never stand with you and me

You can bet laws will be set to ensure the benefit of unrestricted labor laws, kept in place by displaced government death squads.

Probably not in North America. Probably.

Hex Yoggy land lawlor

Hex Yoggy ssssh @c fake war

The only REAL fix for the state the world is in today, is National Socialism in all nations. This shit is not working.

+88IDontBuyIt88 I don't think Propagandhi wants a national anything, in fact they HATE nationalism.

Hypocrite much ?

+88IDontBuyIt88 Nazi punks fuck off!

you're a fucking idiot

Fuck off moron

"Publicly subsidized! Privately profitable!"
The anthem of the upper-tier, puppeteer untouchable.
Focus a moment, nod in approval,
Bury our heads back in the bar-codes of these neo-colonials.

Our former nemesis, the romance of the nation state,
Now plays fundraiser for a new brand of power-concentrate.
Try again, but now we're confused; what is "class war"?
Is this class war? Yes, this is class war.

And I'm just a kid.
I can't believe I gotta worry about this kind of shit.
What a stupid world.

And it's beautiful,
No regard for principle.
What a stupid world.

Born, hired, disposed.
Where that job lands, everybody knows.
You can tell by the smile on the CEO,
Environmental restraints are about to go.

You can bet laws will be set
To ensure the benefit
Of unrestricted labour laws,
Kept in place by displaced government death squads.

They own us.
They own us.
Produce us.
Consume us.

They own us.
They own us.
Produce us.
Consume us.

Can you fucking believe?
What a stupid world.

Fuck this bullshit display of class-loyalties.
The media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag, shit-rag, hooray.

Publicly Subsidized, Privately Profitable; The Anthem of the Upper tier, privately profitable (Blackwater), Focus a moment, nod in approval, bury your heads in the pockets of the 
Neo-Colonials.......

I replaced Puppeteer untouchable... hoping to find awakes.

+Todd Foster Blackwater was private but contracted by the government. So, not totally private.

Displaced Government Death Squads!!

WHAT IS CLASS WAR? THIS IS CLASS WAR. YES, THIS IS CLASS WAR!!!

There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.

Warren Buffett

skatopolis II it’s pembroke

This sounds like it would be a bitch to play on guitar!

FUCK THIS bullshit display of class loyalties.

@Killerbabyseal ?? what's a fash?

@Queef I'm hella fash.

"And yes, I recognize the irony. 
The system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. 
That's exactly why privileged fucks like me 
Should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream. 
Yeah, until everyone has everything they need."

-Resisting tyrannical government

Yeah til EVERYONE has EVERYTHING they NEED!! (Who else in popular culture, or otherwise, has expressed this sentiment/idea? Fucking brilliant, stupidly simple, meek and yet somehow powerful...)

it's on a split e.p. with I Spy, i think it's called "I'd rather be flag burning"

If you're punk rock it is.

FUCK YOU MAN.. DONT LISTEN TO THE MUSIC.

There's another version of this song I had on a compilation growing up I wish I could hear that one. It's a little faster and sloppier :)

Fuck this bullshit display of class-loyalties.The media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag, shit-rag, hooray!

I keep going back to this 90's shit because the majority of modern music, though it's held sway at times, gets more and more boring by the year.

Less talk, more rock*

and I'm just a kid, can't believe I've gotta worry bout this kind of shit!

Pretty much our entire capitalist system.

Publicly subsidized privately profitable... State run colleges?

stupid world...

Your actually proud of winnipeg? Do they have drugs up there?

Nation States are the culture of the Corporations and Neo-Liberalism, just as Theology and religious books are the culture of the Church. If you believe in your nation, then you believe that the biggest threat to you is workers in other lands and that your best friend is the most powerful person in your homeland, your boss. So, no, Nation States won't solve Capitalism.

You're either a troll or you haven't been paying attention to anything that's going on recent decades. For most intents and purposes, the nation states are the corporations!!

i hope he didnt hurt your feelings, dan

Fuck you. Listen to the music.

only the nation state can stand up to the power of the corporations and the neo-liberalism.

FUCKIN ROCKS

uh, i think propaghandi writes songs like this to spark interest in the fucked up system so people will talk about it and hopefully try to change it... but what do i know.

the most badass canadians to ever walk the earth.. hands down!

Winnipeg Proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, listen to the music, please?

"less talk more rock"

This is a simplist way of thinking. The State and private corporations mostly work together to profit.

You do not have to read the discussion, frankly, it is pretty civilized and well thought out for a youtube comment section. Do not know what else to tell you. The band obviously wants you to think about what they are saying.

Also, I cannot understand how you can think that the US economy is not deregulated. There is some regulation, but it is very minimal, thanks to conservatives and blue dog democrats. However, after the last election, it appears that people are starting to demand this change.

As for the banks "owning us", they are a piece of the entire puzzle. The Federal Reserve is not the major problem. Things like Citizen's United, Shadow PACs and the mass media have a much large role.

Well history shows otherwise, "Libertarianism" and the "Free Market" just simply do not work (or at least has not yet).

Fact of the matter is, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It is absurd and unenthical that the US has the largest income disparity gap in the industrial world. Europe attempted to cut their way out of the global recession and now very well might "double dip".

The Fed is a whole other issue. It is an independent entity that must respond to congress.

@GeoffTube, corporations don't have any mandate to represent you. You may feel that your government isn't representing the will of its citizens well; that it's failing to fulfill its democratic mandate. I'd agree. But if you think you'd be better off in a system where all power is in private hands, and wealth makes right, then you're one of those people whose political philosophy makes no sense to me

Propagandhi have the better messages.

I Heartily disagree, and humbly advise that you should fuck off and die if you need someone to ask you nicely to listen to punk.

The US technically does not have taxation without representation, and furthermore, we do have some "socialist" programs, but our economy is very deregulated. We are a Keynesian system that leans very much towards "free enterprise" and "capitalism". Most of Europe is also Keynesian, but they tend to implement far more "socialist" elements then we do.

To say the United States is a "socialist country" and has been for a long time is laughable no offense. We do not even have universal healthcare.

Paying taxes are the price of admission in a civilized society... this song is about corporate control of many modern day nation states. Since the song was written it has only gotten worse.

Taxes are not fair, income disparity in the US is at an all time high and is the largest of any first world country. That is the real issue, not the fact that you have to pay some taxes. The ultra wealthy in most of Europe and North America do not pay anywhere near the amount they should.

Entertaining and informative.....for those of you that actually give a shit

What are you, a concerned parent? As if you wasted your time typing that thougt. LISTEN TO THE FUCKING MUSIC!!!

Especially considering the political nature of the song. It's not just music, it's also a message. Removing the message and the discussion of politics removes the entire point of the song.

I love this band as they were made up in this album and in how to clean everything. Possibly some of the best lyrics ever written with a sound that made it all pleasant to digest

Actually, that's exactly how to get people to listen if it's punk.

Telling everyone "FUCK YOU ALL" followed by "LISTEN TO THE FUCKING MUSIC" is not a very good way to get people to listen to the music.

what's in the glass jar? Is this a glass jar? Yes, it's a glass jar.

Really? That's what you focus on? Spelling? I know mine is generally impeccable but I avoid pointing out small errors especially I don't have an actual point to make.

Finally, I am by no means a socialist or a communist, I just enjoy discussing political theory. I dislike corporate power, certainly, because I have either no or little influence over it, unlike with government. I can voice my concerns about legal government actions that I don't like. I just have to put up with legal corporate actions I don't like. Considering they have a habit of writing the laws that apply to them, this can be quite a lot.

Socialism is an economic system separate from the government system. You can have a socialistic economy without a communist dictatorship, it's just subject to change at the feelings of the people, which is definitely best. Communism leads to brutal authoritarianism. No one has tried socialism without communism. Untested hypothesis can't be said to be false.

Mixed economies are the standard and are a lot more stable than what we had pre-Great Depression. Less booms and busts, more steady growth.

Fascism promotes private ownership. Granted, they only retain ownership at the whim of the state, as it is in any totalitarian regime, but private ownership remains.

Socialism is against human nature to an extent, but it's hardly irrational. If you're having trouble accomplishing a task, there are two logical responses. 1.) Train on your own to accomplish it or 2.) Get help from someone else, not always an option, but certainly worth considering in a lot of cases since it's quite a bit easier.

@neosoc Just stating facts. socialism has always led to brutal authoritarianism. When government takes away your right to own property and makes everyone economically equal, that leads to fascism. Socialism is irrational. We should give capitalism a try, the US hasn't been capitalist in 100 years. The problems in our society is because of government intervention, not the free flow of goods and services. Free-markets beat the hell out of socialism anyday.

@815Sox @815Sox @815Sox the USA is not actually Capitalist at all, we have something called Corporatism, where big corporations are in bed with the givernment and make deals with politicians to enforce Regulations that only help the big corporations gain monopolies and crushes the little businesses, capitalism is actually a great thing but that word has been raped of all meaning. Capitalism just means that all interactions in the market place (free flow of goods and services) are voluntary.

"And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that’s exactly why privileged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream- until everyone has everything they need." - Propagandhi

errrrrrrrrrrrrrr. listen to

fuck the stupid commercial, that i couldn't skip, that wasted my time before i could watch this masterpiece!

Canada is like riddler, and the US is the Joker. The US is evil, but canada will easily do their bidding and send troops anywhere we go... Sad. Hopefully someone stands up to the axis of evil... the country that puts money above all else, even human life. Don't kid yourself, the biggest threat to world peace is the United States of America, because the fed cartel is running the show.

Less talk, more rock...

yo solo soy un niño, no puedo creer que tenga que preocuparme por esta mierda! què mundo tan estùpido! :D saludos desde colombia!

One of the more observant comments I've read on here :)

Hey, you need SOMETHING to make you fuckers look good! :)

"Take advantage of what you are given and use it to better your community."

yeah, ive tried. and then when i do im told something like this: "However, some of you kids need to realize that your chances being born in the Western world are so slim. Most people are born starving and don't have a chance at all in life," and then told to stop complaining.

OMFG YOU're SO FUCKING WRONG!!!! IT's a hat, GODDAMN IT, A HAT!!!! :P jk

and no offense to all you Beaver Fucking Hosers (Canadians) out there. I'm just a pompous douche bag American. Herp Derp.

Canada is the United States' hairpiece

Thanks man. That's why I do this, helping people laugh and smile a bit. Appreciate the comment brother.

people talk about the dumbest shit in youtube comments

@815Sox Not really slim. The West comprises a giant chunk of the world population, considering it covers lots of Europe and then North and South America. Living in the West doesn't mean you're not starving.

go Canada

FUCK YOU ALL AND LISTEN THE FUCKING MUSIC !!!!

I was raised on this and proud of it.

@StraytRayzorSymphony "you definitly have zero confidence in your own words. "

What does that even mean? You're trying to troll and you suck at it. You're down in your mom's basement, eating your own toenails and squeezing the douche out of the little pimply nuggets that grow in your taint. Nothing you say matters. Fucking beta male clown.

@StraytRayzorSymphony You hear sound in typed comments? Your computer talks to you? OK pal...sounds like you need some thorazine. I'll back off since it's usually not cool to make fun of the mentally ill.

@815Sox The rich have rigged it so we will always win. You douchebags will always be poor.

We DO own you.