Actor | Observer - Tyranny Of The Remembering Self Lyrics




In service to a dying dream
That fades as I wake
As if it was never seen
Run my fingers through a cloud of smoke
A passing glance at a running joke

We try to bottle lightning
But can't recount how it truly felt
If I can't take this with me
Then tell me how I can draw this out

Remembrance
Experience
For which do we live?

Drag me through and leave me broken
The memory is all we need to feel whole again

But it's just lines retraced
Interpretation of the real thing
That's all that's left
We live in the past
We're pulled through everything
We can't react
We just relive

The happiness we think we seek
Is limited by our need
To articulate precisely
What we have achieved
Sitting backwards on the train
Everything is pulled away
Moving forward every day
Forced to watch where I can't stay

Drag me through and leave me broken
The memory is all we need to feel whole again
But there's nothing left





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  1. A. Avicenna

    A brilliant lecture from the author of the inspiring book „thinking fast and slow“

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  3. Anarchon

    This is why in Buddhism and other similar philosophies they say that the only thing that exists is the present, psycho cybernetics talks about "rewriting the past" because in actuality there is no such thing as the past anyway, there is just your memory of what you think was the past, so instead of holding on to traumatic events or embarrassing events (your interpretation at the time), you can simply change your memory of them.

    You might protest and exclaim how you could possibly forget such an important event in your life, the truth is that if its hurting you, you're better off letting it disappear into the fog of time.

  4. David Wilkie

    This talk goes with that other "Fast and Slow" book, because if you are who you think, then the rate of processing which memories, qualifies who you are, happy or other-wise.

  5. Peter Knopfler

    happiness comes when you have no expectation.

  6. Peter Knopfler

    In the end We all live for others, all knowledge is for Human enjoyment. Greed has no enjoyment only the illusion of success. We are what we do, not what we say.

  7. Шахзод Омонбаев

    Who came here after e-commerce homework?

  8. mangogarlic Onion

    What a pack of garbage...

  9. mangogarlic Onion

    The sheep listen amazed as if the mediocre speaker was a God incarnated. He is but a boring imposter.

  10. mangogarlic Onion

    What is this mediocrity, a master of obviousness, smoking?

  11. Willies Goddie Wanjala

    And this explains why, in a relationship, no matter what you do for your SO, no matter the sacrifice, if the divorce hits the door, all those 'memories' will be worthless.

  12. Pelican Bird

    The question about public policy based on these findings is based on the wrong premise. It is not the role of government to provide us with happiness, but to protect our rights of pursuit of happiness. BIG difference.

  13. Stephen Rekab

    an impressively articulate performance and presentation of a false and morally meaningless dichotomy. The state of Selfhood/Being - I am - is a unitary state which is mediated by multiple mental functions which include the various categories of the Memory systems. The sense of self is not dual. The 'I' , can, through an act of will, shift its point of observation. One, the biological organism I am, continuously samples one's internal milieu, evaluating one's endogenous state against the external one being conveyed by its neurosensory network. The process of evaluation involves predictions and expectations based on Instinctual as well as learned remembered events. The retrieval of memories is predicated on salience and context for that embodied self.

  14. Lucis Starling The VLArray

    an impressively articulate performance and presentation of a false and morally dangerous dichotomy. The state of Selfhood/Being - I am - is a unitary state which is mediated by multiple mental functions.

  15. cognitive dissident

    The problem is, subjective well-being tends to dictate actual well-being. And subjective well-being is of course based almost entirely on the remembering self. Unless we vastly increase our individual self-awareness, the whole debate is moot.

  16. madvorakCZ

    Very inspiring speech!

  17. Jake Costanza

    Mental note: do not laugh at your own jokes.

  18. Lady Eva

    why is the voice missing?

  19. sam bitnes

    this guy is very smart.. i just felt like i needed to comment on this

  20. S K

    Seem like there is an anticipating self too driven by the remembering self

  21. Rupam joshi

    Game of thrones, Endings are very very important....

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  23. Lawrence Nara

    Know theyself they say.

    How can you? When you are 2 in 1? 🤔

  24. Bernardo Fajardo

    I just finished reading his book "thinking fast and slow" and I have to admit that it's amazing! The theories it includes as well as the examples and mental exercises we get to do, makes the book an interesting activity, interacting with it is great. I admire a lot this man: merging psychology and economics. A must-read book.

  25. Mclean Uwuses

    This Ted talk is so underrated!

  26. Guy Reshef

    Well, it's been nearly a decade.
    Nothing new here...
    Oh and, Trump is president of the us.

  27. paul maloney

    I am not sure if I was happy before I saw this video or happier after I saw it

  28. rf4life

    He is so fit for his age.

  29. Classic Kettlebell

    What is this 'experiencing self' ? Everything is remembered!

    Tomáš Derner

    Is it tho?

  30. wida hapsari

    Well if you have a lot of money but you're not happy, probably you don't spend it right

  31. Peter Griffin

    Back in the day when ted actually had intellectual speakers and not any LGBTQ and feminist activist got to speak.

  32. Alina O

    This man is brilliant! ...."We don't choose between experiences, we choose between memories of experiences." ..."We think about the future as anticipated memories."

    cognitive dissident

    Yes, but it's really all about subjective well-being, which is a term he failed to mention. We don't just remember, we subconsciously analyze. We also do a lot of comparing our lives to our friend's and neighbor's.

  33. Charlie Chaplin

    "My life has been full of terrible misfortunes, most of which never happened."-Montaigne (1533-1592)

  34. Bruno Costa

    Titulo em portugues e audio em ingles...

  35. ash sharma

    So is he saying that we should live then to create good memories for our remembering self (make sure it ends well and has lots of changes but doesn't necessarily need to be enjoyable throughout) or that we should strive to live in the experiencing self in which we fight recollection of experience all together?

  36. Alperen

    Holiday? What is holiday? I work everytime

  37. Jeremy Cheong WK from Singapore

    hi, can i ask a simple question? thanks so much for reading my post & pls help me out here...
    i have a strong autobiographical question... that means... events of the past are not forgotten, let me give u an example:

    i can remember myself entering the gates of Tokyo Disneyland in 1998, not only that, i can vividly remember the parade floats...

    my Psychiatrist( who is a Professor) has no comment about this matter, & trivializes it by saying, "It won't harm u...unless u play it back"

    i am fearful my Remembering Self... will interfere with the decisions of my "experiencing self" given i am not able to let go of the memories i had...
    =(

  38. The Primal Pitch

    "... a reluctance to admit complexity..." - nailed it! AND "Endowed with a better story" - now we're validating (legitimately) Tony Robbins who gives clients a positive story about their life past/present and future. Great stuff here.

  39. jjjos

    I’ve stopped being overly concerned with filming and taking photos all the time, I remember one Christmas spending the whole experience of my kids opening presents behind the camera screen, that is not right, but you see it all the time

  40. Alexandre de Cours Piano Nancy

    This is pure genius. Thank you for your work Dnaiel Kahneman.

  41. Tao Wells

    ' We don't think of our future, normally, as experiences, we think of our future as anticipated memories"

  42. Hochmin Maru

    i know which person am thanks

  43. Navroop Sahdev

    One of the most inspiring economists! Here's a drop in the ocean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0STNR5_OLhY

  44. Raphael Bertrand

    Anyone else here because of Michael Lewis?

  45. Alessandro Vanzo

    “Thank you very much for inventing behavioral economics”

  46. MinamuTV

    This is the reason why older adults are incorrect about school. Most people think perspective is a good thing, but it actually results in the subject being distanced from many of the _factors that contributed to that subject acting the way they acted_ in the past, and thus in a lesser understanding of the actions of the past. Those currently experiencing an event are more qualified to judge how easy or difficult it should be than those who are looking back on the event without having in their lives the factors that make that event challenging. We realize this with many things in life, but most of us still haven't put two and two together with regards to that and compulsory schooling. It is still something that is recognized mainly by people with very high IQs as immoral but is celebrated by the masses. That will change eventually, and in the future there will be a more widespread belief in youth rights in the same way that the majority of us now strongly oppose racism and misogyny.

  47. M A

    love his quote "We think about the future as anticipated memories"

  48. Isa Misset

    An excerpt of this TED talk was used in my philosophy final exam I took today! Incredibly interesting!

  49. Jacob Stewart

    I think he runs with his distinction between remembering self and experiencing self without backing it up enough.
    What justifies thinking about it in terms of different selves, different people (what does it mean to have multiple selves per person?) as opposed to simply different acts?
    Is remembering not a kind of experience?

  50. Quen Loust

    Still, a bad ending ruins the remembering by tainting the memory of the experience. I could never watch Lost ever again because of this.

  51. Fled From Nowhere

    'Money doesn't buy you happiness, but lack of money certainly buys you misery.'

    Aruna Gunatilake

    Fled From Nowhere Lack of money buys you opportunities

    Thomas Robert

    do you know if he has published those results?

  52. Zhou Andy

    Warren Buffett with less hair

  53. ReallyFilthyToad

    Where is the science here? The elderly are telling these things for generations already.

  54. Ashish Dhama

    Check this out A short mashup video on "Why Richard Thaler Won Noble Price" https://youtu.be/6Zhn6vGqMxI

  55. Eduardo Assali

    I'm seeing this 7 years later!!!

  56. John Pratt

    The guy at the end ruined [my memory of this experience].

  57. Beatrix Ducz

    Almost ten years have passed, and governments still don't see the power of minimal salary. I am 100% sure that companies are able to give the raise, they just decide not to. Why? Of course, the more money one has, the more they want, and they don't use the same cost cuts on their own expenses, which they use in their companies, maiinly in HR. How many CEO's did we see in the bargain shop?

  58. Monique DiCarlo

    Remembering=perception=thought. Don't believe evceruthing you think! ;-)

  59. Human Evolution

    Memories of Experience. Brilliant!

  60. J Tan

    I dont see why no one is questioning why this dude seems to under-value the remembering self's happiness. The studies showing a flatline after 60k a year were only for experiencing self happiness, the line, at least theoretically, continues its upward trajectory on the remembering self's happiness scale. I would say that this analysis is lacking because it attempts to take a naive view from the balcony and impose value upon a system rather than understand its origins. I would wager this guy is a blank slate thinker. I imagine these differences in the economy of life perception could be very interestingly and parsimoniously explained using an evolutionary story about survival and reproduction. I also think it is incredibly naive to think that the 60k study should inform politicians in they way they no doubt imply, namely: to redistribute wealth from those making more than 60k to those making less. Its absurd. You are completing neglecting the motivational authority of the remembering self that you clarified at the beginning. Plus, you have no idea what place this effect has among the web of our behaviors, and what reverberations might be made if changing this node.

  61. Dermot O'Reilly

    A Box of Memories
    Yesterday I lived the past,
    I yearned and yearned for it to last
    But oh, how time will not stand still,
    It surges on against the will.

    Your dreams your scenes of yester year,
    They waft they flow so crystal clear,
    You almost hear the voices sound,
    You stand, you wait, you look around.

    But oh, the surging heartbeat quells
    Neath the blackbird’s song and summer smells,
    You journey on in ecstasy
    You realise, it’s just a box of memories.

    Christy 1922-2005

  62. Kwame Anane-Crane

    This is really good....I now see why I don't feel happy despite having a great life now...I am burdened by my remembering self!

  63. Liz Gichora

    Thank you!

  64. Ron Diltz

    This was an awesome talk the only problem that I had with it is how and I noticed this is a phenomenon in America and I find it sad because I agree totally that happiness is rated economically but we're taught this and have been for many years this needs to change I know he said they're talking about it but that's all they're doing the American people need to stand up and say enough of the greed we have the ability to find happiness we just can't do it as long as we're watching The Kardashians and others like it

  65. naomi chambers

    Why is everyone in the audience white?

  66. Tony Souter

    Loved it. One thing though, if we're going to get technical: since we can't be aware of the psychological present until it's loaded into our memory and registered in consciousness, perhaps we should distinguish "the experiencing self" and "the remembered self" instead as the self based on recently loaded and still-activated memory, versus memory now dormant
    but still retrievable into the focus of attention? (The last bit is VERY Kahnemanian!)

  67. mrkthmn

    I thought this was a very interesting talk but if I understood the question at the end correctly, taking away peoples money (i.e. taxation) because it **air quotes** doesn't make them any happier in the moment. **end air quotes** Is ridiculous. If it doesn't matter then why do you want to take their money? Sounds like it matters to you and therefore it does matter. This opens up an entire debate on the pursuit of riches and the positive change that motivation can bring to a person. I would like to be free to pursue the "American Dream" of working hard, becoming wealthy, and choosing to do what I wish concerning the fruit of my labors. The poor are welcome to pursue the same dream.

    John Pratt

    Right? Dude ruined [my memory of this experience] at the end by asking such a stupid question. Let's hope to God what he meant was: can we therefore make sure no government employee gets over $60k/year?

    Seriously though, British guy's leading question on public policy is the very definition of nonsequitor. "People's happiness ceases to marginally increase with dollars above 60,000 per year. Therefore give the government all your money in excess of $60k/year"? Lol wtf?

  68. Tayzia Watson

    this is a beautiful video. please listen. please share.

  69. Mateo Medved

    This was such a beatiful speach really, it made me think of experiences i had and i was happy durring like literaly during the time happening but i had kind iffy memories because something bad happend in the end...so anyway i came to conclusion that it was actualy good time and it should be a happy memorie and i should try to replicate it.Kinda hard to explain, but this video helped me and made me wonder did it influence someone else this way?Hope you understand haha

  70. Vaidy Bala

    Thanks for the differentiation. If I may, I will say the experiencing self is independent of physiological memory which is subject to bias and ageing effects. Th experiencing self is always happy - blissful regardless of external circumstances. These differences would be measurable by EEGs or fMRI scans of brains of subjects. This experiment will quantify the differences.
    Thanks for reading my comments.

    Vanessa C

    Vaidy Bala b

  71. Vinh Nguyen

    Very interesting and useful talk.

  72. Damo Revo

    Larry David is such a smart guy

    Natalia Skubida

    Damo Revo a much underrated comment

  73. Insertnameherebecauseidkwhattonamemyself

    Wow, I didn't know Bernie Sanders did TED Talks

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  75. Eric Sun

    At 16:21' it should have been "Well, their remembering self is not going to get happier", NOT "Well, their experiencing self is not going to get happier".

    Hoang Pham

    Eric Sun No. He's corrected. He meant there is no difference between California and Ohio which can make you feel happier in one place than the other. In other words, your experiencing self doesnt get happier.

  76. Obey Silence

    This is like Zen

  77. Beneen

    im trying to get into psychology and am interested in how people's brains react in different situations or emotions, any books or videos recommended?

    musological

    I would certainly recommend checking out Jordan Peterson's youtube and and articles.

    Ainsley M: Daily Adventurefest TV

    I agree 100% with Bedan. I'm actually doing it right now, it's awesome!

    vathsav

    daniel kahneman's book - thinking fast and slow; mind watching - why we behave the way we do, if you want to go deep down to study our instincts - the selfish gene...

    Andre Katov

    1. The power of habit - Charles Duhigg
    2. The Marshmallow Test - Walter Mischel
    3. Think fast & Slow.

    Sharath Kumar

    Depends on which psychology you're interested in. If it's clinical psychology then I don't know much. But if it's social psychology, there's a really good course on Coursera by the same name by Wesleyan University. It's a great starting point and has chapters from some great books included.

  78. João de Carvalho

    Can someone recommend me books about social psychology and public policy?

    Theseustoo Astyages

    "City, Class and Power" by Manuel Castells might help... It's not actually 'social pscyhology', but sociology... Even so it should give you some insight into how public policy is made... though you might also like to read Noam Chomsky on the 'manufacture of consent'...

    Hope they help! :)

    João de Carvalho

    @Theseustoo Astyages Thank you. The book seems to be a little old, though. I am looking for something tuned with the latest research.

    Theseustoo Astyages

    @João de Carvalho It may be old but it is a seminal work... most of the latest research is based on this sort of stuff anyway...

    Sorry I can't give you anything a bit more recent; it's been a while since I was in uni... ;)

    musological

    check out Jordan Peterson he's a clinical psychologist who has explored societies and cultures and political policy from that perspective very well.

    Stewart Stewart

    Nudge, by nobel prize winning behavioral economist Richard Thaler and Legal Scholar Cass Sunstein, is exactly what you're looking for.

  79. Illya Swan

    What is the difference between thinking you are happy and being happy then?
    Perception is reality, isn't it?

    Aby Thomas

    think about the 2 colonoscopy patients. A 'experienced' less pain than B, but A 'remembered' more pain than B. So B was 'being' more miserable but 'thought' later it wasn't that bad an experience. We can say that perception is reality, but perception can change, right?, for example take the $60,000 study. I do not know how they measured it, but Daniel says there is a flat line above that income even though people with more money than that are proportionally more satisfied. Google 'gallup survey'

    Illya Swan

    @Aby Thomas
    Thanks for taking the time to explain.

    Jorge Gomez

    what’ s the difference between here and there? the conscience of there means you are not there yet. that’s the answer to you question.

    jjjos

    Perception is most definitely not reality

  80. Henry Lam

    at 14:56. The bottom line of what I've said here is that we really should not think of happiness as a substitute for well-being. It is a completely different notion.

  81. 2 Spooky 4 Me

    pompous talk with little to communicate. waste of time to listen to this guy

    Leonardo Almeida

    So what you're saying is that you're a fucking idiot and didn't understand anything he had to say or you make less than $60,000 a year.

    2 Spooky 4 Me

    No, that's not what I'm saying.

    Leonardo Almeida

    @blacky blacky so, what are you trying to say.

  82. T. Thomas

    Does anyone know if Daniel got a lot of poon when he was younger?

    Joe Kendall

    I bet he gets more now!

  83. Mohammed Ali

    amazing talk.. I really like it

  84. Susmita Barua

    Is remembering self what we call 'awareness' that is free of time and place boundaries? Do we remember 'emotionally charged meaningful events good or bad' more than emotionally flat neutral events? I agree the happiness of the remembering 'self aware' self that is making a journey thru time to fulfill its promise/purpose/potential is what ultimately matters.

  85. Richard Russell

    This is essentially what Aristotle said (amongst so much else that smart dude got right).  The experiencing self's 'happiness' is aesthetic while that of the reflecting self also involves the ethical (i.e. how 'right' was it?).  Socrates said that it only involved the ethical, and Kahneman implies this, too.  However, Aristotle was right (again). There is still an element of the aesthetic embedded in the ethical happiness of the reflected self.  One feels satisfied the colonoscopy was the right thing to do but one may also recollect spontaneously the pain of it (or rather one's aesthetic discomfort at the pain).

  86. Caleb Rowe

    He could of summed it all up with perception is everything. It determines how happy a person is in case

  87. Fguire ti uto

    Die already

  88. Ztech

    Here is a quote regarding JOhn Von Neumann, "Two bicyclists start twenty miles apart and head toward each other, each going at a steady rate of 10 mph. At the same time a fly that travels at a steady 15 mph starts from the front wheel of the southbound bicycle and flies to the front wheel of the northbound one, then turns around and flies to the front wheel of the southbound one again, and continues in this manner till he is crushed between the two front wheels. Question: what total distance did the fly cover? The slow way to find the answer is to calculate what distance the fly covers on the first, northbound, leg of the trip, then on the second, southbound, leg, then on the third, etc., etc., and, finally, to sum the infinite series so obtained. The quick way is to observe that the bicycles meet exactly one hour after their start, so that the fly had just an hour for his travels; the answer must therefore be 15 miles. When the question was put to von Neumann, he solved it in an instant, and thereby disappointed the questioner: "Oh, you must have heard the trick before!" "What trick?" asked von Neumann, "All I did was sum the geometric series." It's clear then that certain solutions are best developed with less conscious deliberation, rather the ability to automatically attract distant ideas into some novel permutation, and then upon a slight moment of reflection, realize there is something useful there.

    Caleb Rowe

    Smart dude

    Fahim Ahmed

    +Ztech im curious to kno.......

    TheRABIDdude

    The last sentence (if you can even call it that) is way too wordy for people to understand. I've read it over 6 times and I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. It's a shame because the rest of it was pretty interesting and I'd like to know the take-home message. English please.

    pineapplegodguy

    @TheRABIDdude if you are not too zealous you will need to create detours for solving problems, which might actually help shed a different light on the problems themselves.

    Von Neumann in this example was way too "mathematically zealous", so he did not have to take the detour to solve the problem and, on this occasion, he passed on the chance to uncover a deeper idea.

  89. Ztech

    He deserves no applause. He's completely biased against intuition, and it's value towards reasoning and creativity. His only goal is to inflate the value of analysis.

    Michael Benzur

    +Ztech yeah that's true, but how is the speaker against that?

    Sonja Casimier

    Ztech you say that, hey he won the Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences. I think he knows what he’s talking about

    vik 88

    What of MY intuition says analysis is more valuable than intuition.

    Daniel Giraldo

    If you all of you could read his book you would see how he begins with an important sentence “intuition is recognition”, he doesn’t neglect intuition at all, in fact most of his work (and life) is based on scientifically explanations for intuition

    Alejandra Riojas

    Ztech read his book.

  90. Marko Kujundzic

    There's a saying in my language: The ending makes the experiance.

    google one

    +Marko Kujundzic Wow, nice! And thanks for the concise import!

    Krishika Raghani

    What language is that?

  91. sandwit ht

    which means it is not the happiness that we lack or what not but the perception of happiness about life that we hold.
    from this i think increasing minimum wages will not make people's quality of life better but it is only a trick to calm the mob down.

  92. Hate IQ Email strangeattractor2000 AT gmail DOT com

    This guy is a fraud, who deserves to be stripped of his merits. He has a strong bias against any notion that non-analytical components, intuitive ability/heuristics, are important to reason and intelligence - he only considers these to be sources of error   Gerd Gigerenzers work is very well backed, and shows how intuition is involved in complex problems.

    Bernardo Seixas

    Maybe you should call the Nobel committee yourself then. And you clearly haven't read his book Thinking Fast and Slow, because he doesn't say intuition is always wrong

    Hate IQ Email strangeattractor2000 AT gmail DOT com

    @Bernardo S The gist of his corrupt opinion (as it currently stands), is that intuition is an error prone feature of the mind, that is reserved for reflexive problem solving.  This is contrast to the view that intuition allows in forming extremely important insights, when and where we would least expect them. For example, when working on large and complex problems (one's that exceed the limitations of System 2), where we don't know exactly where to look to produce sub-solutions. What is referred to as 'System 1' is a component of thought, which allows for the attraction of distantly related elements through deep computation, and allows for ordering bits of information through this exploratory processing.  Both of these; the selection and ordering process, are important in forming new relationships, as described by Einstein (what he called 'combinatrial play') and Henri Poincare's philosophy of mind, and similarly implied by the empirical philosophy of John Von Neumann and Richard Feynman.  Daniel Kahneman's nobel in economics, is about as meaningful among these minds, as the 105% I achieved in Calculus class.  He is just another agent to maintain the inflated egos of the analytic. 

    Tulbih

    +jay parisi Read `Thinking Fast and Slow`. You`ll see that he is very much aware of intuitive/system 1 thinking.

  93. Avinash Kumar

    12:55 Isn't that something Marcel Proust talked in detail in his book In search of lost time that more than the person himself / herself its the memory of him / her we're in love with? Certainly looking forward to reading Thinking fast and slow.

  94. Field Ni99ers United

    Conman is the sort of cowardly proponent of the analytic, always glorifying the value of linear thought, and the function of short-term memory – receiving praises only from a public with an already inflated sense of intellectual worth (IQ theory). It remains so, the greatest philosophers of mind have always supported intuition and the freedom in selecting elements of thought (Von Neumann called it art), while the laymen will always cower behind analysis, as if it somehow makes up for their lack of worldly achievements. Very few minds in Western societies today, given the presence of the biases against intuition, heuristic, and creative thought, can flourish, but still the evidence of the powers of intuition prevails, thought most often, in the one in a million types, who come to change the world.

    Field Ni99ers United

    @ppwalk05 I'm getting at the fact, that component of novelty in reasoning goes beyond the analytic component that is widely praised, by the Kahneman camp.  In contrast, Khaneman downs anything that deals with intuition (I suppose praising it's use in solving 'simple' problems, is the exception - which is more of an insult). A highly evolved associative memory capacity,and tight intra and inter regional connectivity facilitate order seeking, and set building, which are pre-analytical functions.  Without intuitive processes our creative selections through complex empirical systems, and thus the relations we can build, is severely limited.  

    Ztech

    @Danzelblock Ever since William James buried the idea of associative memory, perhaps bitterly jealous of his artistic brother,  it was never reintroduced into models of cognition or intelligence.  Instead the notorious sequence reasoning paradigm (iq) took over .   But I am in line with Sloman's position that  associative memory is a powerful feature of the brain, that allows us to make connections by extracting generalized features (perhaps implicit), shared between objects or ideas.  Grouping things based on similarity is one natural function of creative thought.

    Field Ni99ers United

    @Ztech Psychology tends to be liberal , perhaps a bit too much, so theories of 'free thinking' don't go well with the general public with entitlement mentality.  The defensive, 'I gots my commun sent' is all you will hear from laymen.  For yet another generation, intellectual creativity (intelligence) has been lost.

    milton enriquez

    many have intuitions. without empirical research, how could we weed all the bad ones out?

    Daniel Gennaro

    I appreciate your criticism, because I'm currently in a masters program and our poli sci professor is ALWAYS on this heuristics, analytical model stuff and man,... I cant follow it seems... I feel like I'm in the wrong major, lol, I'm more of the English/Philosophy, learning from the writing of C.S. Lewis in his book The Abolition of Man... but can you provide some great thinkers for me to learn from such as you mention this Von Neumann?

  95. Parsa Dorbeigi

    Now here's a question: How does knowing the "fact" that the remembering-self overcomes the experiencing-self impact the process of analyzing past memories and storing new ones? Would it destroy lots of our good memories and create feelings of contempt, realizing that we were fooled at the end of the experience, as @jlc012 put it, or would we still embrace and cherish those memories? And would we be aware of the impact of the final moments of an experience at the time and somehow resist the growing gap between the two selves? And if so, how would that impact all the visions envisioned for our policies?

    Cat Keogh

    +Parsa Dorbeigi You are good.And funny last line!

  96. toostoned tocare

    Total Recall.